Monday, July 10, 2006

Pregnant Women And Their Sex Addict Babies

According to yet another scientifical medical study, it is not a danger to have sex during pregnancy, for the infant. Yes, I know that is old news, as far as the potential for causing miscarriages, or for injuring the child in the uterus. But this new directive has come down from on high from the clouds of academia evidently out of some expressed concern that see during pregnancy, or at least during late in pregnancy, might induce premature labor.

While that is certainly nice to know, no on has yet conducted any studies to determine the validity of my theroy as to sex during pregnancy, and it’s potential harm to the child. I posted this once before, and so, on the occasion of this newly and seemingly profound medical reassurance, I represent it here, in it’s entirety.

Sex During Pregnancy-Can It Cause Your Child To Grow Up To Be A Sex Addict?

16 comments:

pissed off patricia said...

The results of studies are like buses, there'll be another one in 15 mins.

SecondComingOfBast said...

This one doesn't seem to take into account the possibility it might not be applicable to all couples.

Moi said...

Re: sex in pregancy causing addictions:

I was a midwife for about 6-7 years in the late 80's. At that time there were many studies done that connected the mind/body connection to how it affects the fetus. I remember one couple who did a great deal of research in this area in particular, the Petersons. They had the maternal mind/body affects on the fetus testing down to such a science that they could predict when a baby would have a cord wrapped around its neck or when a baby would be in a breach presentation. This impressed me. The woman, Gayle, has a website so if you have a real desire to get a hit on your theory from an "expert" she might be the one to contact http://www.askdrgayle.com/).

My personal opinion: if the mother had a sex addiction, those feelings/obsessions might be transferred to the fetus. If she has wonderful balanced perspectives and wholistic feelings and practices around sex, that would impact the baby in a very positive way around their sexuality.

I don't know you, but am totally projecting that in your pagan world view you might have the perspective, or at least the exposure, to the idea that everything is about intention. I would think this applies here. Make sense? Those little fetus folk are tremendously tuned in in ways we have that astound.

Re: the study about sex late in pregnancy might bring on labor...all I can say is "no shit, Sherlock!!!" When someone was getting close to their due date and wanted to start, we would suggest they have a Mexican dinner and go home and fuck their brains out.

Cumin (in mexican food) stimulates contractions.

Prostaglandins in the semen soften the cervix and produce contractions in the uterus.

If the baby is ready to birth this will "help." If they aren't it won't.

Another "mystery" solved.

Like your blog, by the way.

Blessings!

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SecondComingOfBast said...

Well, it's certainly good to hear from a mid-wife, and I thank you for your perspective, and also for the link you provided. Any such comments as yours and other input is always appreciated.

As for the issue in question, while a positive romantic and sexual relationship is always a plus, I am referring as much to the effects of the brain chemicals which are released, serotonin and dopamine. While these might be insignificant to adults, to the fetus their effects might be far more considerable.

Take for example the woman who chooses to drink during her pregnancy. She might have four drinks a day, and this may be a pleasant, relaxing experience to her, and non-addictive. Still, in some cases it might result in fetal alcohol syndrome to the infant.

These brain chemicals are of course released by the brain, and have a lot to do with our perceptions of pleasure, and our pursuit of same, and to a great extent are responsible for the strongest of our addictions, or at least play a vital role in them. And that of course would certainly include sexual addictions.

Anyway, I certainly appreciate hearing from you. It seems like I have seen you on another site, though I can't be sure what it is. But have a good evening, and by all means stop by anytime.

Frank Partisan said...

It's too complex, to answer without a well funded study.

Start filling out grant requests.

SecondComingOfBast said...

I wish I could do that but alas, I'm afraid I don't have the educational or scientific or whatever type background it would require for me to be taken seriously. I would probably get told to fuck off, and then somebody else would do my study. Still, whoknows, it might be worth a try.

Aladdinslad said...

if what you say here is true there will be some mans who will be fucks their wives when they are pregnant with a girl child and be think oh now i will have a horny daughter i can fuck when i want to....especially when the daughter starts to turn into a pretty girl and the wife she turn into a fat old ugly skank.

autogato said...

I love research. I love it so much that I conduct it.

Let me know when you get the grant, Pagan Temple. Let's collaborate.

SecondComingOfBast said...

Autogato-That would be cool, if I could find somebody that was qualified to apply for the funds, someone who would be interested and wouldn't go off on a tangent. But whoever applied for the grant would be the person in control of the research, and I'm not so sure I would have any control over it once it was all said and done. Plus, I wouldn't make any money off it, or as much. I don't really know how this stuff works, whether you're even allowed to make any kind ofmoney off it, outside of what legitimate personal expenses you might have in the conducting of the study.

SecondComingOfBast said...

Aladdinslad-Wondered if you'd ever get around to finally posting here. As for the kind of man you refer to, I doubt they need any extra incentive anyway.

fondfire said...

This would be a hella, hella difficult study. You'd have to get very, very good data on pregnant women's sex lives. Then you'd have to track the sexual behavior of the resulting children . . .

Hmmmmmm.

This one will probably long be in the category of "Old Wive's Tales" . . . (If any old wives other than you are talking about it, PT!! ;-)

Personally, I can't much see how there would be the physical mechanism to have any effect. I mean, yeah, alcohol has an effect, but it's an intoxicant that can clearly get through to the baby's developing system. Same with many diseases. Sperm, however, tends to come in low-doses and probably doesn't have enough hormone content to actually get through the amniotic sack in any quantity and affect the child. So, your argument depends on the idea that the mother's physiological changes due to sexual excitement changes the child's make-up somehow. Given that sexual excitement is also a transitory state (no matter how much you think you provoke it not to be), I just don't see how that could have much effect, either.

Given all the positives that sex does for a person's physiology, I would tend to think that it ACTUALLY may benefit the child, as they will proceed to have gotten some of the chemical benefits of their mother's rosy disposition while pregnant. Maybe if happy people are more likely to be sex adicts, that would be some indirect relationship, but I don't know . . . In my experience, it's unhappy people who get into extreme sexual behavior.

La-la-la. Maybe there will be some evidence that can help answer this one day. I'll stop with the omphaloskepsis now . . .

SecondComingOfBast said...

You keep ignoring the effects of serotonin and dopamine, which would be the critical factors in this case. No one knows what effects the release of those chemical elements in the mothers brains has on an unborn infant. But it is pretty well established that outside emotional influences do have an effect. So you have to figure that real intense sexual feelings are much more profound than merely feeling good, calm, relaxed, sad, angry, happy, etc.

The study would be not that difficult, it would involve dividing up various groups, and asking a series of questions, the honest answers to which a professional can elicit without that much difficulty. That is another problem, I don't have those kinds of qualifications. But there are people that could definitely do the study.

It might two or three years to round up the participants, divide them up into say three different groups, establish a rapport based on trust and confidentiality, and take it from there.

fondfire said...

Well, perhaps I'm not accounting for neurotransmitters. I still think that mechanism is too general, but perhaps I'm not accounting for how horny a fetus can be. :-7

If you can find funding, go for it. I really would love to see the results.

SecondComingOfBast said...

The fetus would not have to get horny, nor could it. It could, however, absorb the state of ecstacy the mother experiences, and if this occurs over a long enough period of time, on multiple occassions, the fetus would certainly feel the effects of this transcendent state, and become wired for it.

Naturally, this wouldn't make the baby a sex addict from birth-I was just utilizing shock value for attention when I said that-but once the child reached puberty and started undergoing the development of sexual urges, I am just simply wondering if this pre-birth experience might tend to result in the now teenaged child, having gone through puberty, more easily acclimatable to a sexuality than otherwise would be the norm.

Then, having sought out or given in to the sexcual urges more quickly and easier than normal, might it not result in that child having more of a sexual orientation that might-might, mind you-reach the stage that we might consider a sexual addiction.

I'm just asking the question. After all, researchers postulate that sex can be an addiction, just like drugs and alcohol,and these can be passed on to the fetus, so there isn't that much difference, save the lack of a foreign substance. Still, the serotonin and dopamine may be the most important facotrs in passing an addiction. Otherwise, the idea that a fetus is effected by a mothers emotions, good or bad, is simply bunk.

As far as that goes, it could be a gambling addiction might work the same way, only this would have to be passed through the mother as well.

fondfire said...

There are certainly a wide range of possible pre-natal influences that could be having an effect. I'm also very curious to see what research reveals about pre-natal effects on fetal development and the mechanisms which cause these effects.

I would think a good research design could probably study multiple things (maybe gambling addiction, sex addiction, and others) simultaneously and somehow attempt to control for inheritted genetic effects. But tricky . . .