Monday, November 07, 2005

The Asatru-White Racialists?

It has come to my attention of late that Asatru, a pagan based modern religion based on the ancient worship of the old deities of the Norse and the Germans, may be made up in large partof racialist elements of the white Aryan community. Is this a bad thing? Well, I guess it all depends.

It has always been my contention that hatred based on race and culture is wrong, no matter which side exhibits it. It has also been my view that racial and cultural pride of ones ancestral heritage is good and appropriate, so long as it doesn't cross the line into bigotry and racial violence.

Racialism as exhibited from the white perspective is therefore no better, nor is it any worse, than Hispanic, Jewish, or black bigotry, and from a cultural perspective can be as valuable and admirable as that exhibited in it's more positive aspects from the peoples of other races, cultures, and religions.

As for the Asatru, I would like to believe the best. However, I have far too many times seen exhibitions of intolerance for, for eample, Wicca, as much so as I have seen misogynistic meanderings concerning those of other races and cultures. This gives me great pause.

At it's best, Asatru seems to be a remarkably well thought out revision of the old religion of the ancient Germans and Norse. However, there is a darker aspect to it. At it's worse, it seems to have taken over from the old Christian ultra conservative elements best illustrated by the beliefs of the old Ku Klux Klan. They would seem to be a perfect example of a religion made up of converts from Christianity who have failed to leave behind a good deal of their old ultra-conservative Christian baggage. You are either with them, or you are against them, it would seem. This is most unfortunate. There is much about Asatru, as in most religions, that seems to be admirable.

They seem, however, to have taken quite a few pages from the playbook of evangelical Christianity, and for that matter fundamentalist Islam, in the manner inwhich they proselityze new converts. A great many of these would seem to come from the American prison system. Now, I for one think it is fine to offer convicts, and parolees, hope in the form of a religous belief system. If this system is one that teaches pride in ones race, culture,and heritage, then this is all the better. But of course, caution is advised. There is a sub-cuture of violence inherent in any prison system that would not bode wel when translated into the outside world, as a good many have noted in connection with prison conversions to fundmentalist Islam. Conversion to a white supremacist organization would bode no better, long term, for society at large. But it is a fact that if the Asatru are not cautious, they might indeed find that a large perentage of their membership derives fromthese prison conversions, to a larger degree than with other religions. This, as well, may not bode well for the religion, for obvious reasons.

But it seems reasonable to assume that a great many of the Asatru prison covnerts would derive from the Whtie Supremacist, Aryan prison population, and this may well translate into the world outside. In fact, a common term of denigration whn referring to this branch of paganism is "Nazitru".

Is this fair? Does this fit? I would not be so harsh myself. However, when I read such comments as I have read concerning the "fluff bunny" Wiccans, and other branches of paganism, I can't help but realize that a good lot of this is a natural reaction, though perhaps an overreaction as well, to what is perceived as an overzealous and possiby even bigoted form of paganism.

Not that they are the only ones, to be sure. I consider myself a Hellenic Wiccan, and a practitioner of magic, though not truly an orthodox Wiccan, and certainly not a "Reconstructionist" Hellenismos. But I have had on-line encounters with "Recons" who have left me all but tearing my hair out. They come across as obstinate, arrogant, and every bit as fundamentalist in some cases as the most superstitous of Bible believing fundamentalist Christians.

The problem seems to stem from the fact that for the most part they have arrivd from a perspective of at least some degree of influence from an earlier Christian heritage, and have brought that baggage into their new faith. As such, they haven't truly converted, and maybe never will. And this will always cause problems when it comes to associations with those of different faiths and cultures.

In any religion, there is a great deal of mythology and symbolism. A lot of these old stories are not to be taken literaly, hey are instead beautiful allegorical stories that serve to impart a deeper spiritual or magical meaning. Taken literally, as way too many tend to do, these old mythologies actually lose their magic,their majesty, and become little more than the stuff of superstitous folk tales, told only for the amusements and/or the frightening of children, and believed only by the ignorant. But somewhere along the way, the leaders of a great many religions seem to have realized that literal interpretations are more conducive to keeping your adherents in line, enslaved to their beliefs, chained by them, as oppossed to deriving true freedom and enligtenment from them. That is how it began, far more years ago than can be counted perhaps. But the Middle Eastern religoions ratcheted up the distrust and hatreds by insisting in the belief in only one God, all others being wrong or evil.

When you believe in only one God, and only one way of woshipping that God, and that everything taught about that religion must be taken literally how can anything else be anything but evil?

Paganism, in my view, should not be that way, but there is always he danger of fundamentalism creeping in when you are dealing with the prospect of converts from fundamentalist religions. A lot fothem just can't adjust to thinking differently. Only with the Asatru, now there seems to be the danger of combining this danger with racialism, which again, can be hazardous, when taken to the extreme, to the health of any spiritual path.

By the way, if there are any White Racialists and/or white supremacists readingthis, I hope you take this in the spirit in which it was intended. I too am proud of my white European ancestry and heritage, and there is much in Asaru hat I find good and admirable. Nor do I mean to imply that you all are ignorant, superstitous, and violent fundamentalists.

However, just in case there are a few of you who do fit the profile of the violent racist and fundamentalist, or the ignorant-a word of caution: if you by chance one day happen to see a crippled blonde haired doctor striking his walking stick against a pavement in anger, sorry to dissapoint you, but he is probably not going to transform ino the Mighty Thor.

6 comments:

Cincy Diva said...

Asatru is not the only group that has such groups involved in its practices. When I forst started studying Ancient Celtic history and druidism, I came across s sudy group that sent out a detailed questionaire on my family history right down to what color my eyes were. being a susppicious sort I wrote down that I was of German descent and had brown eyes. The refused to allow me to join. I also registered as of Irish lineage and hazel green eyes and was accpeted immediately. Amusing since the Celts did not originate in Ireland.
my word verification is ciafha, which kind of looks Celtic -g-

SecondComingOfBast said...

Very interesting. To each their own, I guess, but I personally prefer a more eclectic approach. Though my orientation is Hellenic. Not exactly true to my own heritage, as I am of Irish descent, predominantly, with some English. So I would not be welcome into an "authentic" Hellenic group I suppose, though that is the main area of influence in my life.

Frostbeard said...

I realize this is a bit of an older post, but I just stumbled upon it via the search engine.

Based on your post, I'm betting that you haven't had very many face-to-face conversations with Asatruers. If you'll pardon my saying so, your post seems to only draw upon what you've read or heard online, not what you've seen with your own eyes or experienced for yourself.

Saying that Asatru is made up mainly of racialists is wildly inaccurate. It's no better than someone saying that Wicca is made up almost entirely of sexually confused, socially stunted teenaged girls. I've been in this community for 10 years, and only a very tiny (but vocal) minority even comes close to your stereotypes of racism and fundamentalism. Where are you getting your information? I ask, because it really doesn't mesh with the reality I've experienced.

SecondComingOfBast said...

I never meant to imply that these made up the majority of Asatru, I only wanted to point out the dangers of fundamentalism more than anything. Believe me, that is a big concern of mine in all branches of paganism, not just Asatru. I don't mean to pick on your branch.

But it has come to my attention that there is a growing Asatru movement in prison populations among white prisoners, and I'm wondering where this might eventually lead. Not that it's all bad, but there could be problems, similar to the conversions of American blacks to radical fundamentalist Islam.

Plus, I've noticed on some internet e-mail groups that are pagan oriented, some self-identified Asatru have gotten on and seemingly with no reason act in a challenging way that makes me wonder if they are not still infected with the "My Way Is The Only Way" virus that too many pagans unfortunately bring with them from Christianity.

I realize that the potential for this problem exists in all branches, as I said, but I have also noticed that some Asatru seem to be more out in the open about it.

Frostbeard said...

If you didn't mean to imply that they were in the majority, what did you think would be gathered from your statement that the religion was "made up in large part of racialist elements"? Honestly, I do know what you were and are trying to say, but I think your language puts it in a different tone than you intended.

BTW... The prison population you're referring to are largely convenience converts. They adopt a religion because doing so affords them certain privileges in the system, similar to "good behaviour" - it's seen as part of their rehabilitation. Most of them drop the pretense of faith once they're on the outside. It's much the same with Christian jailhouse converts. I don't really know why the groups that have prison outreach programs even bother. Asatru isn't alone in having such groups though - I have heard of Wiccan prison outreaches, particularily at women's prisons.

As for the internet trolls... They come in all shapes and colours. Asatruers do tend to be very direct (even abrasive) in our questions and comments though, and there certainly are some of us who like to go looking for a fight for little to no reason. It's not because we believe our way is the only way though. I've never spoken to an Asatruer who claimed that our way was the only way. Really, it's the opposite. One of the ideals that is common in Asatru is cultural diversity - we despise the idea of a "grey global monoculture", a term describing what the world would be like if everyone spoke the same language, practiced the same religion and had the same values and desires.

Relating to the trolls again... The problem that Asatruers tend to have with Wicca is the Universalism inherent to the belief system. What I mean to say is that we're not upset that somebody is following a different path. What upsets us is that folks from that other path seem to believe that our path is just a variation of their own. Asatru has about as much in common with Wicca as it does with Shinto - that is to say, almost nothing at all. Really, the only close tie between Asatru and Wicca is that both faiths share some roots in ancient Europe. We have different beliefs, different societies, different modern origins, different practices and very different values. Yet there is a tendency among Wiccans to see us as some kind of offshoot... some go so far as to call Asatru "Norse Wicca". If ever there was a surefire way to piss off an Asatruer, using that term is it.

Certainly there are other reasons for Asatruers challenging other neopagans online, many of them personal to the challenger, but I think the fundamental difference between the faiths is probably the big one.

SecondComingOfBast said...

Believe me, I do undersatand where you are coming from, and I don't entirely disagree with you. The prison thing I should say is something I just wanted to point out as having a potential for trouble. But certainly I wouldn't begrudge any prisoner from pursuing a spiritual outlet. But caution is advised as well.

Going back to the statement regarding racialist elements, you have to understand my viewpoints first regrding racialism. I am of the mind that a person should be proud of his racial, ethnic, and cultural heritage, regardless of what that might be. To my way of thinking, you can be "Pro-White" without necessarrily having to be "anti-black, Jew, Hispanic", etc. Yet, way too often if a person expresses that sentiment, he is classified as a bigot or a racist. This is unfortunate.

To that degree if an Asatru is encouraged to pride in his racial, cultural, or ethnic hertiage, that is fine. But too often this is perverted into racial hatred and bigotry. That was what I meant to warn about, the potential that a prison population might well be a breeding ground for such activity.

I also understand where you are coming from as regards the Wiccan versus Asatru controversy, but I think this is mainly a miscommunication. There are many Wiccans who are indeed "Norse Wiccans" and they might mistakenly consider an Asatru to be as such due to the obvious similarities they have in common.

I myself I would consider as a Hellenic Pagan with a heavy Wiccan influence. Though not a "traditional Wiccan". Although I am oriented mainly toward the hellenic, however, I am eclectic enough that I consider the other deities, including the Aesir and Vanir, as equally valid deity concepts, and so I recognize them. I have even had dream visions regarding Odin, one of which has come in the form of a recurring dream.

At any rate whenever I discuss such matters with what is termend a "Hellenic Recon", invariably there will be differences, and sometimes heated arguments. That is just human nature, I suppose, but I try to remind people that there is really no need for it to become that great of a controversy.

But the main problem is fundamentalism, and remember, most people that come into Wicca, or any branch of Paganism, for the most part come from a Christian background. And remember, Christianity is at it's core a Middle Eastern concept, and Middle Eastern faiths, being monotheistic, almost invariably always approach their religions from the vantage point of "my way is the true and only way" and "you are either with us or against us".

It'shard to escape that type of mnd-set, remember, it has become almost ingrained in Western Society for centuries now, in some cases almost two thousand years, in all cases well over a thousand. When a person comes from that background, he or she will invariably bring some baggage from the past with them. It can't be eradicated overnight, but it is certainly something that should be dealth with, if we are ever to be truly free of it.