Wednesday, January 06, 2010

Socialist In Name Only

One of the biggest stories (well, one of the most important ones) during the last week of last year was the influence of China on the Global Climate Change Summit that took place in Copenhagen Denmark. The Summit itself was actually supposed to be that biggest story of the year. It's implications extended well beyond national borders to encompass the globe, because whatever was decided would of course have a global impact. And, if nothing was decided, that too would have a pronounced impact, even if you don't believe there is anything to Global Climate Change-or if you do but consider mankind's contribution to the phenomenon minimal to non-existent.

However, the biggest story of the year turned out to be China, and how it pretty much derailed the Summit.

This should have come as no big surprise to anybody. After all, it is by no means an exaggeration to suggest that China all but invented the concept of national sovereignty. Even back in the days of Mao, the Great Leap Forward, and the Cultural Revolution, they made terrible communists, even by communist standards.

Now things have changed in a way that would have been unfathomable two decades ago. If conservative Democrats are DINOs and moderate Republicans are RINOs, I guess you could legitimately view the bureaucrats of the Chinese Communist Party as SINOs-Socialists In Name Only. Sure, they still have an oppressive, totalitarian regime held in place by one party rule, with next to nothing in the way of civil liberties and nothing approaching United States standards of constitutional protections.

Yet, they have a healthy and thriving capitalist economy, albeit this is tentative-one might say it is barely past the toddler stage. Will it grow and propser over time? If it does, will this lead to greater political and social freedoms? It's hard to say. If it does, it will probably be very gradual.

I seriously doubt we will see significant advances in our lifetimes, certainly not a multi-party system. But seeing as how much of a mess the West, including the US, has made of two-party and multi-party democracy, is that really such a bad thing?

Can a one party system over time evolve into a no-party system, where officials are appointed based on merit, possibly in time subject to the will of the voters? In point of fact, while it seems unlikely, China has executed public officials for corruption. So is China really politically communist, and if so, can it really evolve beyond that stage, seeing as how it was never a bona fide communist nation to begin with, but more of a feudal style, agrarian based dictatorship?

The real Great Leap Forward, the real Cultural Revolution, came about when China adopted capitalist economic reforms. It has in fact grown by leaps and bounds, and continues to grow today. Still, it has several albatrosses around it's neck. It has the crazy uncle nobody quite knows what to do with in North Korea. It has the unruly stepson in the form of Myanmar. Then there is Tibet. And of course Taiwan. China takes diplomatic heat for it's influence in these areas, and rightly so, especially it's attitude toward Sudan.

But amazingly, while it is easy to criticize them for dealing with Khartoum during the on-going human rights atrocities that government engages in in Darfur, their approach is actually-libertarian.

The difference seems to be, China tolerates the human rights abuses due to it's desire for Sudanese oil. The US does it in return for cooperation from Sudan in the Global War On Terror. The Chinese just sit back and watch it all happen, while the US moans and cries about it-and sits back and watches it all happen.

The Chinese excuse is that Sudan is, of course, a sovereign nation and should run their own internal affairs. So extreme is the situation in Darfur that this would be an incredible pronouncement from any nation but the one that built the Great Wall. China will never compromise it's national sovereignty, so any attempt to curb their economic growth will certainly be lost on them.

Hard to blame them. They look at the recent Global Climate Change e-mail fiasco out of England and no doubt they wonder, just who does the West think it's fooling. For all of the rhetoric, China sees the proposals put forth at the Copenhagen Summit as chiefly benefiting the European Union-and rightly so, when you consider the economic impact of the proposals, which would put Europe on firmer ground by leveling the playing field against all it's economic competitors, including China, in addition to India and the US.

What the European Union never took into consideration was, China was at one time a part of a European Empire. They have no desire to go that route again, and the people running the country don't intend for that to ever happen, certainly not under their watch.

I'm sure the world will somehow survive. I know China will in one form or another, no matter what steps they have to take to insure their survival. They are old masters at that game.

10 comments:

Frank Partisan said...

One of your better posts.

Mao according to Halliday's biography of him, only opened up relations with the US, because he thought they'd give him arms.

Mao had a slogan about self reliance. If he was internationalist, he would have merged China with Russia. He and Stalin were both nationalists.

The constitution of the Chinese Communist Party, now allows capitalists as members.

The Chinese studied what happened in Russia well. They didn't allow the US to flood China, with cheap goods.

The growth came because a part nationalized economy, was given access to the world market.

The Chinese Revolution was doomed to be distorted from the start. Peasants don't lead socialist revolutions.

Mao actually wanted the capitalists to not go to Taiwan. He thought China would have 100 years of capitalism.

When Hong Kong was given to China, why didn't China nationalize the economy? Because the conquering occurred the other way. Hong Kong took over the mainline.

With all the new industry, comes an actual industrial working class.

The second highest wages in China, are in Tibet. The good jobs go to the Chinese. The national question is one of bread. If the wages were equal, we would hear less from Tibet. I'm for the right of self determination for Tibet.

SecondComingOfBast said...

Thanks Ren. I do disagree with your statement that Mao would have merged with the USSR. It's easy to give lip service to such internationalist pipe dreams, but practical application is a different story. Can you imagine what a mess that would have been, regardless of the sentiments of Stalin or Mao?

My impression of Nixon's diplomatic initiative with China was it was in large measure a means of keeping the USSR in check.

China still has a long way to go, in a lot of different ways, but no one can deny how far they've come.

When a government executes it's own officials for corruption, in addition to it's wealthiest tax cheaters and corporate thieves, that's something to emulate as far as I'm concerned.

Can you imagine Bernie Madoff ever even thinking about pulling the stunt he pulled in China? Or for that matter, Chris Dodd?

We can always dream, can't we?

I'm actually surprised you like this post, seeing as to it's implications that China only advanced so far due to capitalist economic reforms.

(((Thought Criminal))) said...

China's "success" coincides with the "Most Favored Nation" trade status it has enjoyed from the United States since the early 1990s and the integration of Hong Kong's economy into the Chinese economy following the turnover of Hong Kong from the British in 1997.

Even with Wal-Mart (China's 8th largest trading partner, if you divide their American trade up by business) keeping them afloat, China's billion plus population barely generates the GNP amount that California's 36 million do.

They've got a long way to go, but they're only going to get there if China becomes more like Hong Kong and less like Beijing.

SecondComingOfBast said...

Beamish-

I think they'll probably make it. Then again, maybe I'm just overly grateful to them for derailing that fucking summit.

Frank Partisan said...

Pagan: I agree with you about Nixon's reasons for visiting China. Mao thought he could take advantage of it.

Beside slowly denationalizing their economy, unlike the Soviet Union; another factor going for them, was investing in production. They did buy US debt, and we'll see what results.

Interesting that the "capitalist roaders" during the Cultural Revolution got back into power. That showed a big section of the bureaucracy wanted capitalism. Why? The right of inheritance.

Beamish's analysis is superficial. He didn't even mention the army of cheap labor China has at its disposal.

SecondComingOfBast said...

Ren-

The right of inheritance is just one reason capitalism kicks socialisms ass every time. You should have figured out by now, a planned economy=plannned lives.

(((Thought Criminal))) said...

Beamish's analysis is superficial. He didn't even mention the army of cheap labor China has at its disposal.

Sure I did. China's billion-plus population produces less wealth than California's 36 million people do.

Which means with a labor pool some 20+ times the size of California's and paid minimally if at all (we trade with China because slavery's illegal here in the US), China is not even profitting enough to outperform California in GDP.

Their "success" isn't because their labor costs are low and their labor pool inexhaustible.

Their "success" is because the United States props them up and because they have a segregated capitalist economy in Hong Kong to draw upon / exploit.

The United States can always get another country (Indonesia, South Korea, Mexico, Brazil, Poland) to make our kids Legos and disposable microwave ovens.

China is hosed without the United States. Which is why they're kind enough to pay for our war on terrorism, among other things. They know they'll see a return on their investment. They already have.

That the CCP is "socialist in name only" is a cop out, really. Read your Milovan Djilas. You might as well be saying socialism doesn't exist everytime it fails, rather than the true picture - socialism ALWAYS fails.

SecondComingOfBast said...

Beamish-

I think it's an exaggeration to say that Hong Kong is the only capitalist area of China, if that's what you're saying. Granted, capitalism is as I pointed out in the post, barely past the toddler stage, but it is there. it won't get to our level overnight. Well, maybe never, but who knows what the future might bring. The CCP might be ruthless, but I suspect they are also practical. Why abandon something that works?

I'm not saying they will get to our level of civil liberties and freedoms. At the same time, the most important thing to these people is power. I don't think they care that much how they get it or how they hold on to it. If capitalism pays them dividends over the long haul, I think they'll want to stick with it.

Remember, it wasn't that long ago that India was more of a socialist country than it was truly capitalist.

The only reason Cuba has stayed communist for so long is they mooched so long off the Soviet Union they developed an entrenched bureaucracy that can't or won't adapt to change. The same holds true for North Korea, while Chavez is just breathing the fumes of his oil revenues.

China has no much resources to prop them up sufficiently with their population demands. Why kill the goose that lays the golden egg?

Frank Partisan said...

Pagan is correct that capitalism is the foremost part of China's economy. More of the economy is private.

Most of China's GDP is under capitalism, with about 40% of the economy in states hands.

There has never been in history before, capitalism guided by a strong bureaucracy.

Since capitalism was restored, healthcare decreased, while illiteracy has been increasing.

We saw the failure of Stalinism, nothing to do with real socialism.

(((Thought Criminal))) said...

Of course, Ren. "Real socialism" never happens, thus never fails.

Just a bunch of failures throughout history miscalling themselves socialists and communists to make the dreamers look bad. It's all a conspiracy and why oh why won't anyone just listen to you who knows best...

Give me a fucking break.